Tribal Territory Size Answer

[Oakstead]

I asked Jordi a FAQ question about how large tribal territories would be since this will affect so much at the start of the game and received this answer.

Right now it’s a 100 meter diameter starting tribal territory, increasing 5 meters per additional player. This might be increased. We’ll see how it feels with a few active tribes.

For those who might not know the starting tribal size for claiming territory is 10.

[dragonstripes]

So if I'm reading this correctly, basically the first 10 people, which are required, are worth 10 meters. Then every additional is worth 5 meters, correct? So a starting tribe of 10 players starts with 100 meters. A tribe of 15 would have 125 meters.

Off topic... why does everything in this game use the metric system?

[Zennoya]

Because most of world use metric system, and countries where developers came from also use metric system :P

Only few countries (including USA) uses other systems. Check globe map here.

[edaw22]

Cause Metric's better.

[Farmerbob]

Oakstead wrote:

I asked Jordi a FAQ question about how large tribal territories would be since this will affect so much at the start of the game and received this answer.

Right now it’s a 100 meter diameter starting tribal territory, increasing 5 meters per additional player. This might be increased. We’ll see how it feels with a few active tribes.

For those who might not know the starting tribal size for claiming territory is 10.

This might be a problem if the game really takes off. 5m per person radius begins to add up to some pretty darn huge area numbers pretty fast once you get a couple dozen people in a village.

[pid73]

good question, good answer.
this is a friendly bump.

EDIT: +thanks for sharing

[Derek]

Farmerbob wrote:

Oakstead wrote:

I asked Jordi a FAQ question about how large tribal territories would be since this will affect so much at the start of the game and received this answer.

Right now it’s a 100 meter diameter starting tribal territory, increasing 5 meters per additional player. This might be increased. We’ll see how it feels with a few active tribes.

For those who might not know the starting tribal size for claiming territory is 10.

This might be a problem if the game really takes off. 5m per person radius begins to add up to some pretty darn huge area numbers pretty fast once you get a couple dozen people in a village.

Probably shouldn't be a linear relationship. Should be inverse exponential.

[pid73]

Derek wrote:

Farmerbob wrote:

Oakstead wrote:

I asked Jordi a FAQ question about how large tribal territories would be since this will affect so much at the start of the game and received this answer.

Right now it’s a 100 meter diameter starting tribal territory, increasing 5 meters per additional player. This might be increased. We’ll see how it feels with a few active tribes.

For those who might not know the starting tribal size for claiming territory is 10.

This might be a problem if the game really takes off. 5m per person radius begins to add up to some pretty darn huge area numbers pretty fast once you get a couple dozen people in a village.

Probably shouldn't be a linear relationship. Should be inverse exponential.

It actually is quadratic. If n is the number of members in a tribe (at least 10), then the territory available to the tribe is:

T = pi * (50 + 5 * n)^2 / 4

The division by 4 is due to the fact that Jordi was talking about the diameter, while the surface of the disk is computed with the radius.

From the formula you can see that every new member adds a lot of territory to the tribe. To know better how much more consider this table:

Members | Territory (m^2) | Diff from prev. row
10 | 07854 | n/a
15 | 12272 | +4418
20 | 17671 | +5399
25 | 24053 | +6382
30 | 31416 | +7363

[Alfred]

T = pi * (50 + 5 * n)^2 / 4

It's actually: pi * (50 + 2,5 * n)^2 because an addition to the diameter is always half the addition to the radius. Since the equation for the area of a circle is pi*r^2, we are using the radius and the division by 4 is a mistake.

It still means that to dominate the world (120km^2) you will need about 760 people in the same tribe.

[Farmerbob]

Area claimed equation:

Assume base 100m diameter, 50m radius with 10 players.

Assume +5mm diameter, +2.5m radius per +1 character above 10.


Area = 3.14159 * (50 + [(players -10)*(2.5)])^2)

For a 50 player village they will control a village with a radius of (50+ (40*2.5)) or 150m

The really rapid growth of controlled area doesn't start until there are a LOT of villagers. The growth in radius is always linear.

In other words, the bigger the radius, the more of a difference one more player will make.

If the game gets truly popular, this could cause issues, but I can't see it happening with server populations below a couple thousand, unless almost everyone bands together in one town for some odd reason.